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		<title>Loss</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We found out today that a very dear friend of ours from years ago that we lost contact with, that she passed away by suicide 2 years ago. She was a survivor and multiple as well. We tried off and on over the years to find her again but we didn&#8217;t have any real luck [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We found out today that a very dear friend of ours from years ago that we lost contact with, that she passed away by suicide 2 years ago.  She was a survivor and multiple as well.  We tried off and on over the years to find her again but we didn&#8217;t have any real luck and then today we felt the urge again to go searching online and we located her via her daughter&#8217;s myspace page.  Someone inside remembered the other last name our friend had at one time versus the last name she had during the latter part of our time together with her years ago.  This is what helped us locate her daughter and subsequently her myspace page.  Information on her daughter&#8217;s site hinted that she may have passed away and so we emailed both her and her daughter and her daughter replied with the news.  We are so very saddened by this&#8211; the grief definitely surprised us in how it overwhelmed us with choking and sobbing tears that were quickly prevented from coming forth and spewing out uncontrollably.  I wish whomever inside is preventing and controlling and pushing it away wouldn&#8217;t do that, but I guess they are doing it out of some kind of fear or something.  Caryn was a friend that left deeply embedded footprints along our heart and touched our system greatly.  </p>
<p>There is so much more to say about her passing, her loss, our grief, and our processing of this news.  I guess we aren&#8217;t quite ready to delve into it and we are also just utterly exhausted and overwhelmed at the next few days and everything else externally that is screaming at us that needs our attention immediately with energy we just don&#8217;t have, and yet we have to find it, as it has reached critical emergency problematic levels.</p>
<p>Most of January we were out of town with Sean visiting his grandmother and other relatives as his grandmother was dying and then she did pass away.  She was a great woman that I didn&#8217;t have nearly enough time to get to know and whom Sean was pretty close to.  I&#8217;m just glad that I was able to meet her and spend time with her a little bit in visits since getting to know Sean.  I didn&#8217;t see her at her best, but there were times when she was more &#8216;present and coherent&#8217; than at other times we visited, and I feel touched to have known her delightful self.  </p>
<p>Leaving the house is a hard thing for us to do, but leaving town is even more challenging.  We always need many days or lots of time to recover from being gone.  We didn&#8217;t have access or convenient access to the Internet while we were away and so that is part of why we haven&#8217;t been back to journal until now.</p>
<p>We wish to thank everyone for their responses and we will respond more directly very soon.  We&#8217;re still just trying to get a handle and grip on life and regaining some ground since coming home.  </p>
<p>In many ways we&#8217;re still divided about journaling, but it does seem like the shift is more towards journaling and taking the risks that our mother or someone (that we don&#8217;t want to know) finds it and just trying to take the &#8216;screw it&#8217; attitude if they do.  The purpose of this journal is supposed to be for us and then for anyone else who may find something helpful or useful to them.  There is more to say about that.  Perhaps instead of trying to process it internally we need to just process it externally in our journal about the process and divided thoughts and feelings about journaling openly here as well as scanning our handwritten journal here.  Ha.  What a concept.  Journaling about our attempts to process something internally in order to sort something out, particularly as it relates to journaling here.  </p>
<p>So much going on, but we&#8217;ve been wanting to update, and this was our attempt to update.  I guess we&#8217;ll tackle the journaling processing as well as the processing of our loss of our friend, someone we&#8217;ve been wanting to reconnect with over the years.  </p>
<p>Julies (and others around too, just not sure who)</p>
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		<title>vulnerability</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/2010/01/15/vulnerability/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Julies]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[we think a big part of our silence and inability to write much the last year or two has been this growing fear, worry, anxiety, and awareness that with the right key words, our mother could find our journal. in knowing Sean, it opens us up to her or family searching his full name or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we think a big part of our silence and inability to write much the last year or two has been this growing fear, worry, anxiety, and awareness that with the right key words, our mother could find our journal.  in knowing Sean, it opens us up to her or family searching his full name or what not and a few more key words and our site is surely to be found.  we resisted the whole facebook thing, but we finally signed up and of course the mother is a friend along with other family and friends&#8230; and many we haven&#8217;t even searched for, added, etc., and we&#8217;re keenly aware that given the right circumstances, a click here or there if some of our friends&#8217; privacy settings are low that eventually it could lead to our journal.</p>
<p>then there has always been the awareness that we&#8217;re so out there or at least can be and there&#8217;s always the chance that our mother could accidentally stumble upon our site or someone else who knows enough about me and my life and put things together.  if someone read enough, and they knew my mother or my family, they&#8217;d probably put it together, even if we used pseudonyms for the people in our life that we mention by first name in our journal.  this is why we finally settled on that debate regarding whether to use pseudonyms or not&#8211; we decided it didn&#8217;t wholly matter as anyone knowing us and our life, family, friends, etc. could figure out who was who even with pseudonyms and so it didn&#8217;t make sense.  we know on some level which people in our life absolutely require complete anonymity and hope that others who might take issue with it would let us know.</p>
<p>anyway, so we&#8217;re thinking that this fear, worry, anxiety, etc. is behind a large part of the silence and struggle with writing anything in our journal.  we used to write daily or almost daily&#8230; though some of those journal entries are not posted here because we still have to import them.  we&#8217;ve done a reasonable amount of journal writing in our handwritten journal throughout these periods of silence, but that hasn&#8217;t been scanned here.  </p>
<p>we want to be the ones with the courage, the braveness, the openness, rawness, etc. that we see other friends and bloggers do.  we admire that so much.  we want to not care or to feel free to reveal, to tell how it is, to help others in some way hopefully, to share with those who know us (and we know they&#8217;ve been to our site or been given the info) so that they can know how we&#8217;re doing if they want to know.  we want a strong living record of our life, our healing journey, our thoughts, feelings, etc., because so much of it is forgotten and lost somewhere and so much more is captured with words&#8230; and words we can return back to for reference, patterns, growth, healing, etc. </p>
<p>instead the silence lives and we argue and are divided inside about so many different thoughts, ideas, feelings, philosophies, dynamics, etc. regarding whether to journal or not journal.  we&#8217;ve debated whether to go to all password posts and whether to just push past all of this and be an open book and whether there is some kind of balance.  in the midst of all of this, we end up at this standstill, the standstill and safety of silence.  but where does that get us?  silence eventually leads to a sense of failure, badness, shame, etc. of its own making because we aren&#8217;t writing when there is so so so much going on inside that we need to share, want to share, explore, and take further along that writing and processing brings for us.  instead it just sits within, spinning, circling, withering away, with only a small chance of living and not being buried deep within with everything else.  our life is about burying things.  it is so automatic.  even the good things&#8230; they get lost or buried and we&#8217;re left with only the hope it will be remembered instead of splintered and scattered pieces or nothing of it left.  </p>
<p>we know it really boils down to whether we can handle our mother or someone else we know that we prefer to keep this journal private and away from them, from whether we can handle and accept that happening and the potential effects of that.  we aren&#8217;t worried about the father because we&#8217;re pretty sure he is fairly computer illiterate or really doesn&#8217;t use a pc much at all.  there&#8217;s always the worry that if we post links or info about a certain friend that our brother might decide to google her and eventually find our site and then that would be bad as our family would then know.  </p>
<p>there&#8217;s just so much about this topic and issue and there&#8217;s a lot more bottom lines that we know exist besides what we just wrote.  we&#8217;re not sure how to settle this within as there are loud and competing philosophies and ideas and stuff about this topic and uggh, it sucks.  </p>
<p>this has been going on for us for a long time, and we&#8217;ve been fighting it within for a long time, and lately it seems, the silence is winning the battle.  the &#8216;do nothing&#8217;, &#8216;say nothing,&#8217; etc. because it is safer seems to be the default right now.  and there are quite a few of us that want it different or think we want it different or something.</p>
<p>so here&#8217;s a start to conquering this and finding a solution for ourselves.</p>
<p>julie/s, julies, Julies</p>
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		<title>dreams, the good and bad of them</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/2009/10/31/dreams-the-good-and-bad-of-them/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Julies]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dream with daddy in it. Ick ick ick even though it got good stuff in it cuz we be fighting back a little with words and our hands but still it scary and icky and bad and scary to us. and we gots flashbacks of usz dream and keep seeing him coming at us and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dream with daddy in it.  Ick ick ick even though it got good stuff in it cuz we be fighting back a little with words and our hands but still it scary and icky and bad and scary to us. and we gots flashbacks of usz dream and keep seeing him coming at us and what he wearing and his smile and his energy and attitude around him and it scare us lots even in usz flashback of the dream.</p>
<p>This what we remembers and we had it Thursday night um Friday morning day sometime and waked up from it but not write it down but now we writings it down with help from some bigs even though we still trying to talk and use usz words as much as we be allowed.</p>
<p>Scenes we remember.  Forget all the stuff befores and after.</p>
<p>Daddy wearing a faded washed lots white t shirt that he wears under his shirts for work.  We thinkin he wearing his blue air force pants cuz it not jeans and it just got that certain blue color on them.  and he walking towards us with his hands down by his side with the ickies and scariest and yuckiest smile and attitude that he got power and control and he coming at us and he kinda mad at us but kinda amused at us but the kinda amused in the icky way of knowing he in power and control and we gonna try to or we fightings back and he know it not gonna work or nothing.  And he walk towards us and we punch him with the strength of an infant a baby, really it barely touched him but we were kinda giving it all we had and kinda not and while doing that we were saying we hate you we hate you over and over and then started telling him he was lots of bad things.  the words we remember saying but lots more things was said to him but the words we remember when we waked up is: you are scum of the earth.  you are a piece of snot.</p>
<p>and we thinkin maybe we waked up after saying stuffs to him or maybe stuff happen and we not remember and then wake up.  oh and we be all sweaty and stuff cuz we had a bad dream and it like a bad dream but not a bad dream cuz it be good things we do in bad dream.  we NEVER EVER that we remembers ever tell daddy in usz dream that we hate him and he is a piece of snot and scum of the earth and lots of other bad things to him. and we never ever hit him in usz dream.  and it be all new lately that we be dreaming and see him in usz dream cuz usually it juts lots of bad peoples or bad men or bad peoples that we not know or not recognize or not can see good sometimes and it all new the last year or two or maybe three years that we have dream where daddy show up sometimes and we not like it at all.</p>
<p>even ifin it be good the bad people turning into people we know and daddy be in dream and even if it be good we facing him and telling on him in usz dream cuz we had a dream about that before a few or more months ago and even if we be having those good things cuz of what they mean it still be a bad and scary and icky dream and we still got all ptsd and flashbacks of that stupid dream cuz we see him coming at us with those clothes just like he in front of us for reals right now and that smile and face and it all big in us mind and memory and all blowed up so big and scary and we notta like it at all and we hate it and we are bad and scared and bad ands it just scary it all changin and maybe he know we gots this dream and he be mad and sad and mad at usz and we just bad bad bad bad bad bad</p>
<p>the other part of dream or another dream around same time or maybe we go back to sleep and then wake up with this dream but it bother us but not so much flashback like the daddy thing but it still really clear this scene we remember.  something happened or was going on that we can&#8217;t remember and we can&#8217;t find sean or zoi and we needs them and we looking for them and then we finally find them.  we see zoi first and we so sad cuz at least 3 of her paws and bottom part of her legs are wrapped up like they be hurt and she not can stand or walk even though she was sitting up when we find her and we hug her and as we hug her we see behind her that sean is there but our memory of that part of dream is blurry and hazy and we woke up after that.</p>
<p>we just remembers that there another dream or scene we had too cuz we sleep and wake up and sleep lotta lots today friday during day and now it late friday night um saturday morning and so it confusing when we had what dream and what order but we think it lotta like this order we write.  so we be in california on the afb we lived at and we going back there to visit as a grown up but still feeling little like a kid and the houses be all torn down and we remember that is what we found the last time we went back there.  so the houses were like that and we were trying to remember or figure out what street was &#8220;our street&#8221; that we lived on b/c they had not only changed the street names when they destroyed the old houses and rebuilt entirely, but they also changed the layout of the neighborhood and so we were trying to figure out the approximation of where our old house stood and as we are doing that lots of kids of varying ages and military police began surrounding us but they were at a distance, like behind the walls of the backyards and just in general surrounding from various areas of the homes, streets, sidewalks, etc, but at a distance.  more and more military police began coming closer to us in a surrounding formation and we were aware and yet trying to act innocent and stuff. i think we were sort of on a small kid bicycle or maybe a scooter or something, not necessarily just walking. and one of the mp&#8217;s got our attention and we stopped and we started to explain we used to live there and we were visiting and as we were looking past him and behind the walls of the backyards of the homes, we were trying to explain and tell him, see, this is the road to the main gate and this is the road to blah blah but in the process of looking and about to explain to him that we knew the area, things about it looked even stranger.  we started to explain how it didn&#8217;t look right, the road didn&#8217;t look right and even the area behind the tall walls that were between the backyards and the road to the main gate that the grass was strange and that it was big and juicy and not grass but something else. in doing research for this, found out that it is actually Carpobrotus edulis (Hottentot-fig or iceplant).  so we were trying to explain this when we were looking to our right (the opposite direction of where the main gate is supposed to be) and suddenly noticed water, lots of it, like the ocean was right behind the homes and it was moving as though it was stormy.  then as we looked further to our right, we could tell that it was going to flood and overpower the homes and streets and that we had to move quickly to higher ground.  we said something to that effect, hoping that the mp&#8217;s and the other people (mainly kids, teens, women) would start running quickly with us, behind us to higher ground, because we/i knew it was coming, this big flood of stormy ocean water and it was dangerous, but i remember thinking as i was running to my left and towards higher ground that suddenly appeared conveniently in my dream, that they didn&#8217;t believe me even though they saw it and it was so obvious and right in front of them and was going to head towards them.  at one point while we were running and had reached the bottom of this huge mountain or cliff of dark brown gigantic boulder rocks that created a rocky, but climbable mountain that we looked back to see how close the water was to us and it was definitely heading toward us but we had a little bit more time to still get high enough for some kind of safety, although we knew time was seriously running out and we were going to get hit by the ocean/flood/stormy water before we reached the top, but we felt like we&#8217;d make it.  i only remember in the dream focused on reaching the top, but i think there were others who eventually started running behind me and heading the same direction.  i think (but not positive) that this is when we also started looking for sean and zoi and after reaching the top and then going into some kind of building, though the image of the building or any of that isn&#8217;t very clear&#8230; just i know it was some kind of enclosure that was very dark and it felt damp and cold, and then that&#8217;s when we found them and we were so relieved because we were missing them, needing them, worried, and wanted to be close to them for safety and security for all of us.  i think we woke up shortly thereafter.</p>
<p>so some strange and intense dreams with lots of symbolism and some obvious or likely dream meanings to be found in them.  We&#8217;ll probably write another entry about our thoughts on these things in a little while. </p>
<p>Time was spent researching and trying to find out what kind of grass or plant it was and when we discovered it was a type of ice plant that used to live behind the tall brick wall behind our house that separated our backyard from the ice plant, then the sidewalk, then the main road leading to the main gate and other parts of the afb.  Anyway, now we are &#8216;bigger&#8217; and that feels nice as we feel more stable being grown up at the moment since we&#8217;ve been primarily very young and struggling to be &#8216;big&#8217; at all these last few days.</p>
<p>Julies, but earlier us, usz, and possibly some others</p>
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		<title>A New Day, Again</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/2009/10/25/a-new-day-again/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we&#8217;re trying once again to write in our journal on a very regular, daily or near daily basis.  We have been writing a reasonable amount in our handwritten journal, but alas, we have yet to scan those entries and post them here. So as our dearly loved friend, Naomi, says in her song, A [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re trying once again to write in our journal on a very regular, daily or near daily basis.  We have been writing a reasonable amount in our handwritten journal, but alas, we have yet to scan those entries and post them here.</p>
<p>So as our dearly loved friend, Naomi, says in her song, <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com/nektare">A New Day</a>, which can be listened and/or purchased here along with her other songs, we are once again at the start of A New Day, A New Way, and A New Chapter in our life.  We&#8217;ve been gearing ourselves up for more changes, particularly as it relates to journal writing, working on our website, and of course the usual challenges and strivings towards changes and healing with everything in our life.</p>
<p>We realized recently that our one year Engagement Anniversary was coming up and we decided that was when we&#8217;d begin anew with our journal writing.  Of course the funny thing is that eventually we&#8217;ll scan old handwritten journal entries and back date them here so it will be slightly irrelevant, but we like to believe that it is fitting to have these changes happen on such a special day for us. <img src='http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So today we will be celebrating our one year Engagement with Sean and his system. <img src='http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s our turn to surprise him/them with extra love, attention, and celebration.  We&#8217;re both very broke financially, but we&#8217;ve managed to come up with some ideas on how to spend time together without cost, other than a small splurge to the very early matinee of Where The Wild Things Are for the kids.  We&#8217;re making breakfast for him and so we shouldn&#8217;t feel the need to buy junk food and things at the movie theater.  We&#8217;re making all the meals today for Sean, planning a nice candle lit dinner, a very early matinee kids movie, playing some cards together, playing with Zoi (our amazing dog), talking, cuddling, maybe watching a movie at home later tonight (not sure what exactly, but will figure something out for us teens and adults) and then more grown up time. <img src='http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  So anyway, we&#8217;re looking forward to today with him/them.</p>
<p>On October 25, 2007, Sean and his system came to a multiples support group that we attend, and our paths in life crossed.  On March 25, 2008 (totally not on purpose date and number wise, it just happened that way), we went on our first date together.  On October 25, 2008, Sean proposed to me on a bridge overlooking a huge waterfall and there were many other wonderful details he thought of and surprised us with. <img src='http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   And today, October 25, 2009, we have been happily engaged for a year and we are looking forward to our future together with him/them.  We have a really good relationship with them and it&#8217;s interesting and amazing to discover how having a significant other, partner, who loves all of you, accepts all of you, and is safe for everyone inside to be around, how it can really make a big impact and difference in a person&#8217;s life.  In this case, my life, our life, our lives.  It doesn&#8217;t fix all the bad stuff, the hard things, the things that are wrong with us, the things we&#8217;re working on, etc., but it does help and it does make a difference, one that we couldn&#8217;t have ever really understood until Sean and all came into our lives.  We are very thankful and aware of the blessing we&#8217;ve received with Sean and all loving us and being in our life/lives.</p>
<p>Changing topics here&#8230;</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t been sleeping at night the last few nights and only getting some naps in the daytime or early evening.  So now I&#8217;m exhausted and thinking of trying to take a very brief nap before our big day begins.  We&#8217;ll be back to write more about how we&#8217;re doing and what&#8217;s been going on with us regarding therapy and healing and other life things.</p>
<p>Julies</p>
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		<title>Tons To Do</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/2009/09/11/tons-to-do/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve been swamped with a lot of external changes, demands, internal struggles, internal processing of things, and it feels like the list goes on. We missed group tonight and we really, really wanted to go.  We needed to attend group but this surge of overwhelming exhaustion hit us while we went downstairs to do one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been swamped with a lot of external changes, demands, internal struggles, internal processing of things, and it feels like the list goes on.</p>
<p>We missed group tonight and we really, really wanted to go.  We needed to attend group but this surge of overwhelming exhaustion hit us while we went downstairs to do one final coat of painting before group, but we could only get a small portion of it done before we suddenly became extremely exhausted.  It is frustrating when this happens&#8230; when we think we&#8217;re in a space to do something and make strides or progress on something, then we start it and within minutes we are &#8216;shut down&#8217; in a sense with utter exhaustion, sleepiness, and this inability to fight against it.  It is the most frustrating when it happens suddenly and when I think I&#8217;m rested enough or have worked ourselves into a space to do something.  I feel so out of control and helpless about it.  I know it has to be something internal and we have some ideas about where it comes from, but we just don&#8217;t know enough about it yet.  And sadly, I feel pretty strongly we&#8217;ve been battling and trying to work through this damn particular problem for years and years now.  I guess we get closer and closer to it and a little bit of chipping away at it over the years, but damn, I just want it over with and to stop!</p>
<p>So we had to stop our painting and we went and laid down in hopes that it would help some so we could get up and head to group, but alas, we crashed very hard and Sean had to wake us so we could call someone in group to let them know we wouldn&#8217;t make it.  Uggh, it sucks.  We&#8217;re just so damn exhausted and pushing hard at trying to finish painting the bedroom Sean and I are moving back downstairs into again and then we&#8217;ve got a crap load of boxes to move over along with some furniture and other misc belongings that we haven&#8217;t moved over here yet.  Then comes the big job of cleaning (deep, OCD stuff for us) and organizing, and trying to get some order into our stuff and Sean&#8217;s stuff.  Uggh, and that&#8217;s just the beginning of numerous things we&#8217;ve got to somehow get done asap in our life to have some order and maybe some manageability to it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re supposed to be moved out in a week and our plan is to be done by next Wednesday so we can turn in the keys Thursday morning and do the inspection with our apt mgr.  We want our deposit back and so we&#8217;ll be going overboard in our cleaning.  It&#8217;s not that dirty right now, but it wasn&#8217;t all that spiffy (in our opinion) when we moved in.  We are very detail-oriented and their type of cleaning is not our idea of deep cleaning.  We could list a number of things that we found wrong and gross, but that&#8217;s beside the point.  We&#8217;re going to do our best to have time to do the cleaning we think is necessary to make sure there is no question we can get our deposit back.  It will very likely be much cleaner than when we moved in.  Anyway, we have a ton of physical moving to do amongst a ton of little things to do to finish preparing our bedroom here at Sean&#8217;s house and then we have more physical moving of furniture and things to go downstairs into it, aside from all the cleaning to do before and during all of that.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s our whine or update or whatever you want to call it.  We&#8217;re stressed and trying hard to hang in there.  At the moment I guess we&#8217;re doing ok, meaning when we crashed, we crashed hard tonight, but then woke up with some clear headedness and not so much energy but an &#8216;okayness&#8217; so we could finish the final coat of painting, minus the closet final coat because we ran out of paint.  All that is left is touch up along the edges and trim and the closet and bedroom door.  Well, we still have to deep clean the window and wash the window trim, prep it with the nail indenting and putty, priming and painting.  We figure we&#8217;ll get to that later, but we do want to get to it soon as we want the room finished, but at least it is something that can wait if we don&#8217;t get to it before the furniture and things go in there.  So Sean and I have a lot left to do together but it is slowly getting done.  We had hoped to have all the painting done and nearly everything moved out of my apt by now, but oh well, it will get done in time somehow.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re just tired and stressed.  We didn&#8217;t get anywhere close to our goal of dealing with our ridiculous number of boxes and storage containers of crap that we need to go through and discard or file, find a place for, etc.  We made some progress in regards to our old handwritten journal entries and have things even more organized than before and ready to continue the organizing process of all of our therapy journal stuff and other therapy oriented writings and whatnot.  So that is a plus as we intend to scan them eventually and probably post them here to be read, although some we may make private or password protect.  Not sure entirely yet what will occur.</p>
<p>Anyway, our next week is going to be super busy and we&#8217;re trying very hard to hang in there, hold on, and to keep trudging along until the worst of things is over with, and I suspect and halfway expect (based on past experience and what I know about us) that we&#8217;ll crash hard when the move is complete.  Our therapist is leaving on vacation on Saturday for a week and so we had our last session this past Tuesday until the 22nd. We&#8217;re definitely getting attached to her and I hope it is a healthy attachment this time and not something unhealthy, but who knows.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re just exhausted and stressed and trying really hard to not totally crash just yet and the 2 days in a row that we crashed this last week, I&#8217;m hoping we can keep that minimal this next week when things get even more stressful with all the additional moving and cleaning and things that are just stressful and take a lot of energy out of us when our body physically can&#8217;t do it as much, let alone emotionally manage so much stuff all at once.</p>
<p>The other big news in my life is that I&#8217;m anxiously awaiting the arrival of my niece.  My brother and his wife are expecting her to be born anyday now.  I can&#8217;t wait!</p>
<p>Until later&#8230; and goodness, we really plan and expect to be writing on a much more regular basis after this next week is over with!</p>
<p>Julies (and others around)</p>
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		<title>sadness, hurting, and also body stuff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[we are having a really hard time.  there&#8217;s just no energy and no ability to get anything done and yet we are surrounded with so many things we need to do.  there&#8217;s even some pressure (mostly pressure we put on ourselves but not necessarily so far off of reality that the pressure is there in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we are having a really hard time.  there&#8217;s just no energy and no ability to get anything done and yet we are surrounded with so many things we need to do.  there&#8217;s even some pressure (mostly pressure we put on ourselves but not necessarily so far off of reality that the pressure is there in other forms outside us) to get some things done around the house and stuff.  it&#8217;s just so damn hard  lately.</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s cuz we&#8217;ve been working so very hard in therapy and it is taking its toll on us.  i guess we&#8217;re supposed to expect or at least be able to cope with the after effects of therapy but it is so so hard and painful and so exhausting.  we are wondering if we need to pull back some and slow down some of the stuff but we think others inside are just focused on pushing harder and pushing forward on things and that we can cope with it.  well some of us think not!  the sadness entrenches us.  how do we get rid of it? i mean besides making it go away but really it doesn&#8217;t go away just somewhere buried inside.</p>
<p>we think too all this therapy and crap is just too much for the other Julies as they just get so worn out easily by lots of stuff and especially since they are kind of working through some of this with us, well ya know, vicariously working through the stuff they know about and are aware of.  it doesn&#8217;t take too much emotions and therapy stuff to totally wipe out the Julies if they can&#8217;t stay far enough away from it.</p>
<p>we are wondering if we need to do a forced dissociation in order to get stuff done but not sure how long it would really last.  but like in therapy when things are too much or have hit a strong triggering point where the ones pushing to do the talking and telling and emotions and stuff have pushed as far as they can against the ones trying to keep everything silent and nothing happened its not true and all that stuff, well, a weird kind of jolt and snap and jerk of the head and boom we are totally fine and nothing happened, it&#8217;s not true, no feelings, nothing, just utter and totally fine and okay and perfectly normal with no problems and no issues.  so like maybe we need to try and use that as sort of a forced thing when we&#8217;re like this.  not sure if we can but maybe we could try and see.   and we have no idea if we can control it like that but guess it is worth trying.  but doing any of that by itself takes energy too.  and we have so little of it.  so little physical and so very little emotionally at this point too.</p>
<p>it really sucks being anemic too and we need to schedule an appt with our regular dr. because looking online it talks about how it is important to find out the cause of it.  maybe then we can actually get our vit b12 and folic acid and vit d and whatever else needs to be checked as possible causes of anemia.  we&#8217;ve been wanting our vit b12 and vit d checked for so long but always afraid to just ask outright and afraid if the dr. says no b/c for whatever reason it isn&#8217;t &#8220;medically necessary&#8221; or they don&#8217;t want to b/c we didn&#8217;t convince them enough that it is merited then we are screwed in the future and will have to prove so much harder that it is medically necessary to have evaluated.  we are pretty sure they are totally low and we need vit b12 shots and special vit d pills.  we just suspect it is also contributing to our problems.  our sleep dr. tested and found the anemia and we&#8217;re taking supplements but we&#8217;re still exhausted and we know it&#8217;s going to take time and we&#8217;re also looking at upping the double dosage he is already prescribing to us.  we are thinking of taking a different brand and type of iron supplement in addition to the kind and mg he prescribed.</p>
<p>and for all this time, for many years, we&#8217;ve thought that our fatigue was associated with our depression and just being a fuck up and stuff.  now we&#8217;re wondering if we&#8217;ve been anemic for years now.  our regular dr. checked our iron when we went in to see her awhile back but she didn&#8217;t do the extensive testing.  the sleep dr did and he found it that way.  she just diagnosed us with chronic fatigue syndrome and maybe we have that but maybe we don&#8217;t.  i don&#8217;t know.  we just hate being tired all the time.  and this has been our life for years now.  having no energy to do crap and any small thing (taking shower, emptying dishwasher) wears us out and puts us back to bed to lay down which often leads to several hours of sleep.</p>
<p>so whine, whine, whine.  we&#8217;re having a hard time.  we hurt emotionally and sometimes physically but i think we still dissociate a lot of our body pain.  we get weird ass pains in various places in our body but we just cope with it and deal with it.  we&#8217;re emotionally exhausted and physically exhausted and the depression is just doing its damndest to suck us up and really, we think with the therapy stuff we&#8217;re doing lately, we think we&#8217;re experiencing a lot of grief even though we&#8217;re not sure what exactly it is we&#8217;re experiencing other than deep sadness and just our system is struggling.</p>
<p>we can&#8217;t put into words yet quite what is going on.  sorry this is so stupid.  just we hate things right now.  it&#8217;s so crazy how we can plummet so far and so fast and we forget sometimes how very easy and very close we always are to this place.  we&#8217;ve been struggling but getting through and we&#8217;re used to that&#8230; things being hard with varying moments of coping ok and varying crappy times, but now things are not just hard and barely getting through, they just fucking suck and we feel like we&#8217;re falling with nothing to hold onto to stop.</p>
<p>stupid us.</p>
<p>julies, and others we think</p>
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		<title>Forging Ahead In Memory Work</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplereflections.org/journal/2009/06/18/forging-ahead-in-memory-work/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JAGA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to write about stuff. We keep thinking about it and we know a few things we should be writing about and know that we need to do so and yet the exhaustion and overwhelming sleep urges keep us away. I think we&#8217;re only able to write this much because we are simply not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to write about stuff.  We keep thinking about it and we know a few things we should be writing about and know that we need to do so and yet the exhaustion and overwhelming sleep urges keep us away.  I think we&#8217;re only able to write this much because we are simply not saying anything really at all.</p>
<p>Someone/s inside started telling about a memory in a story format and 3rd person format and information was revealed that way when we laid down one night and started searching within and thinking about a particular memory we&#8217;ve had for a long time now and trying to find the truth about what really happened amongst tiny pieces of stuff.  Basically we were trying to find out if we were a willing participant in a memory involving what we believed to be abuse and whether we wanted these things or was agreeable or something.  Like to what degree are we responsible for this and do we really have the right to feel and think and believe it is abuse because maybe it wasn&#8217;t and we just had a reaction to it and need to believe it was abuse because it is safer to believe it was abusive than face the reality that we were some fucked up little kid at 7 and 8 years old that was willing and instigating and wanting intercourse and anal sex and oral sex and everything else adult oriented sex wise with some other kid a little bit older than us.  Except in doing the 3rd person and someone inside recounting a narrative of what this part or that part saw and observed and was thinking and feeling, etc.,  we&#8217;ve learned (thus far) that we weren&#8217;t willing but we were definitely<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> reacting in a trained manner</span> of giving him what he wanted because &#8220;that&#8217;s what you do.&#8221;  (sarcastically) Why thank you father for all those previous years of training.  Why thank you to the others who were and had been abusing us, if ya know, we&#8217;re not making up that SRA and other crap. (end sarcasm) So we are coming to the realization that even though (thus far) we don&#8217;t recall specifically saying, &#8220;no&#8221; in this particular memory, the thoughts, feelings, worries, anxiety, and other things we recall thus far do indicate that we didn&#8217;t really want to do these things, err&#8230;sex acts.  Yet we also knew that he wanted these things and there was some sort of inner knowledge or belief or something that we didn&#8217;t think we could say no or that it would do us any good, or there were other reasons we felt we had to do this stuff, although we tried in other ways to get it to not happen.  We were actually more focused on other things and the mother and our fears, anxiety, and so forth of some other stuff than over what we had to do with him.  We&#8217;re not really being specific here.  All of this is still hard to fucking write, which is so frustrating to some of us, because some of us want it to be no big deal, but it is a big deal.</p>
<p>So the sadness we&#8217;ve been feeling is deeper than before.  Perhaps it isn&#8217;t so much sadness as it is grieving or perhaps grief stricken sadness.</p>
<p>So okay, we&#8217;ve said this much.  We&#8217;re hoping we&#8217;ll be able to at least write a narrative or 3rd person viewpoint of sharing the memory and then after that, to write it more from the first point of view from others inside.  We&#8217;re doing all that we can to steadily keep working on these memories that we&#8217;ve had for many years but never gave them the attention they needed and deserved, and certainly minimized them greatly&#8230; until now that is.  Well, not minimizing them like we&#8217;ve done in the past.  We&#8217;re seeing now more than ever before that these &#8220;basic&#8221; and &#8220;bits of memories we&#8217;ve had for many years and thought since we&#8217;ve known about them for so long they don&#8217;t really matter that much and aren&#8217;t that critical to work on in therapy,&#8221; really do need our attention and there is tons of healing and issues surrounding them.  OMG, we totally realize the depth of issues and shame and things and deeply regret not having dealt with them on this level ever before this and barely dealt with them period the past 16-17 years of therapy, but we are dealing with them now.  We&#8217;re finally ready.  The negative repercussions of never having dealt with them and not being ready and not giving them the attention that these memories and this hurt and pain has deserved all these years is just really hard to take.  A lot of regret and a lot of negative feelings and thoughts to self/ves for having waited this damn long to finally look at this stuff and realize it needs a shit load of healing and that this is where we need to start with in regards to doing memory work.</p>
<p>So well anyway, this stuff sucks and is damn hard to do and to keep looking at and working through.  We&#8217;ve never kept our attention and focus on any one healing subject matter for so long like we&#8217;ve had lately over this.  It is never far from our mind or heart and even when we&#8217;re dealing with something else that comes up in therapy or life, we still keep returning back to this subject matter and that is a first for us.  We&#8217;ve always had such competing agendas in therapy and yes, that stuff is still happening in therapy and thus we keep jumping from topic to topic to issue to issue to blah blah blah in therapy and in life and what we&#8217;re focusing on, but the difference is that there is one overall riding issue that continues to remain in the near background or right upfront and that is the memories and issues surrounding the neighbor boy that abused us.  We haven&#8217;t even gotten into the stuff regarding his older brother.  There is one memory by one insider who has a sadistic memory of his older brother abusing him (insider) with the neighbor boy watching and there.  Uggh.  Not sure what, if any, other memories lie with the older brother of the neighbor boy.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got to get the courage to say first names.  Fuck it.  Why protect them? Why be afraid of this? Why does it matter so much? Why not just say the names?</p>
<p>So anyway, yah, whoopee, in some ways our system is agreeing (for the most part) and working hard to cooperate and to keep focused (more or less) on the memories and issues surrounding the neighbor boy.  We are trying really hard to work through these things and have healing over it so that we can let it go and move past it and for it to not have its horrific grip on us and for the shame, the utter and deep shame and badness that stems from his abuse and what we did, for it to be healed and for it to not have its tragic hold on us and on our life.</p>
<p>I heard inside someone say, &#8220;The End.&#8221;  Not sure what that is about but anyway, we&#8217;ve got to go.  We&#8217;ve said way way wayyyyy tooo much.</p>
<p>Us, US, Julies, others</p>
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